In sort: there ain’t shit out there.

 

Like: Brad Enslen Micro Blog – If Gutenberg Breaks my Blog Where to Move?

I found a third option:  Known.  Known seems to have Indieweb webmention support built in.  Like Micro.blog and Tikiwiki there are some catches: it’s not listed in any hosting panel for auto install, it’s not even at version 1.0 so technically it’s a Beta, very limited eco system, development seemed stalled for awhile but I hear it has restarted.

Micro.blog. Moving my WordPress site from ramblinggit.com to MB would still give me partial Indieweb functions, excellent support, constant development and a great posting interface.  The downsides, strictly for me, no comments or incoming webmentions, no categories or tags, third party site search only.  On other things I I have plugins for on WP I could probably find a work around on MB using pages. I think all these things will be addressed in time but, right now it’s just not ready to take on the job of a web presence.

TikiWiki.  Frankly, if I was starting out now I would be really tempted to use TikiWiki.  It has everything, not as a plugin, the stuff is already there: Blog, wiki, forums, directory, articles, newsletter and more are all part of the core script.  The only downsides are: zero Indieweb elven goodness, I couldn’t find any cross posting capability.  Work arounds: Bridgy might provide some Indieweb goodness and I know can syndicate using Micro.blog.  No Indieweb is a big downside but surprisingly it’s not a deal killer for me.

I have a couple of years to make a decision.  I’m thinking some more blog scripts will start being developed in response to Gutenberg so it’s wait and see.  In the mean time I’ll keep a weather eye on these three.

 

 

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38 thoughts on “Like: If Gutenberg Breaks my Blog Where to Move?

  1. @bradenslen By “no incoming webmentions” do you mean that people without a Micro.blog comment can’t comment on your posts? If so, support for that was added, at least that’s what I understand it to be since it’s for IndieWeb-friendly custom domains. Or is there more to it than that with the webmention support you need?

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  2. @bradenslen By “no incoming webmentions” do you mean that people without a Micro.blog account can’t comment on your posts? If so, support for that was added, at least that’s what I understand it to be since it’s for IndieWeb-friendly custom domains. Or is there more to it than that with the webmention support you need?

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  3. @simonwoods On WordPress, if somebody mentions my post, or replies to it from another blog, that reply or mention appears right on the post page on my blog. That. My replies to comments also appear on the post page of my blog. It preserves the whole threaded conversation.

    Just putting it in a fleeting timeline isn’t enough. It needs to be preserved on the blog.

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  4. @bradenslen no possibility of displaying webmention was one reason am still away from M.b as my primary blog.

    Btw I do not see Blot in your options? I understand I does not have a first party cms, but one can enable micropub and use any web/native client.

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  5. @amit In re. Blot: I’ve been half following the Blot conversations here on Micro.blog, but the problem is I don’t understand Blot. I’m embarassed to say that. Oh I can describe it in a passing conversation but I really don’t undersatnd how it all comes together to work. To be fair I really have not investigated it either.

    I did list it in Indieweb.xyz along with your Indieweb extension because I can see the usefulness of it for others if they can figure it all out.

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  6. @pauljacobson aren’t youy on wordpress.com but with all the plugins? is that the same as wordpress.org with all the plugins…yeah post-kinds doesn’t work with Gutenberg just 5.0…not sure what will happen…or if it can be done…looking into ClassicPress fork to see if we can get native microformats support.

    We just don’t know how to do what we do without custom fields, widgets, etc.

    Plus all the php developers (two) freaking bc they don’t know React and don’t thinl thye have the skills to update.

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  7. @amit I have a better answer for you about Blot. I took the time this morning to read look at the website and watch the well done video.

    I’m impressed with Blot. There are lots of things I really like: accepts txt and html files which are about as long term archival as we have on computers, each post can exist in 3 places (your harddrive, Dropbox, Blot’s servers) at one time which is a defacto backup system. Even the supplied templates are good.

    Also, I see your Blotpub extension would allow me to use Quill which would better fit my working preferences.

    Things that won’t make it work for me: 1. Disqus support is better than nothing for comments but it is surrendering comments to a third party silo. Maybe I missed something on comments? 2. Indieweb, it’s not a deal breaker if there are other shiney things to compensate like TikiWiki has, but it is a factor. Again maybe I missed something?

    I do think it is a pretty neat blog platform.

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  8. @jgmac1106

    I start students on wordpress.com but they could never afford the levels of plugins necessary so then it’s back to should I introduce shared hosts….

    Yup, this is a challenge. If it’s for a short duration, it’s probably more cost effective to set up sites with a host like Bluehost where the monthly subs are pretty low.

    What theme are you using?

    I’m currently using Independent Publisher 2. It doesn’t support all the IndieWeb I’d like to reflect on the site, but I like the overall theme. Twenty Sixteen is pretty popular because it supports more of the IndieWeb stuff, but I prefer my current layout.

    You don’t run into any mf2 issues?

    I don’t think so. Then again, it’s possible I haven’t configured some of that correctly.

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  9. @pauljacobson ahhh bunch of us going to try and update Indpendent Publisher after December…not the WordPress.com one but Independent Publisher that was compliant….has a few little issues to tweak…should work for those on IP2 who stick to Classic Editor, until we know effect of Gutenberg

    Everyone watching keynote getting quite scared about all the javascript front-end talk…experimenting with metadata and writng blocks has not gone well at all.

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  10. Brad, I’m keeping my fingers crossed that WordPress will listen to the advance feedback and preserve the ability to easily, conveniently do a simple, more text-reliant blog. I’m also hoping that I’m not naive in harboring this wish.

    I think they risk losing platforms users if Gutenberg turns this into a multi-media s**t show.

    • David, It’s looking gloomy. As somebody described it as replacing a text editor with “Dreamweaver” a webpage designer. I’m not buying into it. For posting, I just want to post words and links.

        • Yeah lots of people are looking to migrate. Don’t get me wrong, for some people Gutenberg might be just exactly what they wanted, but I think the end result will be post Gutenberg posts will be full of snarky memes, embeded videos and a lot less thoughtful text. That is not what I want.

          So I need to find a replacement and so far each replacement has some key element missing. So far TikiWiki is leading the way. Most hosting companies have it as a one button install wizard, it may seem like overkill for a blog but I’ll find uses for the other stuff. Still pondering tho.

  11. @kaa This is really good to know. Thanks for the information.

    There are always, at least, two factors in my head about blog platforms: 1. how is it as a blog, 2. how will it work with blog-as-social-network? That’s where my concerns about comment support come in.

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  12. @jgmac1106 I took a look at Independent Publisher 1, and I prefer v2. That said, v2 is only available on WordPress.com (I think), so that’s a pity!

    Everyone watching keynote getting quite scared about all the javascript front-end talk…experimenting with metadata and writng blocks has not gone well at all.

    I’m not a developer (more of a coder/tinkerer), and when I delved into React, I could see how powerful it is. That said, it’s pretty intimidating to me with my minimal JavaScript knowledge.

    At the same time, perhaps this is just some growing pains as WordPress becomes a more powerful, extensible, and flexible platform?

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  13. @pauljacobson yes good to know, technically that plugin works 95% of the way and you are close enough.

    Microformats is not going to happen in core. They are or did pull all microformats in favor of JSON-LD because that is what Yost and Google want not what the web needs.

    General consensus Metadata properties should stay out of classes bc theme and plugin delivers screw up and style or delete them.

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